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Sunday, July 3, 2016
Oblivion, The End of it All
It's occurred to me that one of the reasons that people hang onto the idea of religion, is that it's tied to the idea of immortality. Or perhaps it's simply the fear of death.
Follow this or that dogma, pray to this or that god, and you'll be guaranteed a nice place in the afterlife. If you're raised in a religious family, early on in life, you're taught that you don't really die. Your pet didn't really die, grandma or whomever didn't die, but they're in heaven. Even a "Dog Heaven". (Oh Really?) The reality that they're gone, and won't be coming back, just seems too scary for some, I suppose. Why is it that so many humans find it so horrible to consider the fact that our loved ones, and even one day ourselves, will simply be gone? Like smoke dispersing from a fire, our souls are never to be recaptured again.
If we're raised within a religious framework we're told that if we pray hard enough, give enough of ourselves, be humble enough, etc. etc., we will be given a mansion in heaven and spend the hereafter with our God. That just doesn't work for me.
Why is it so hard to just simply say. "Hey! We're here this one time, and we ought to get it right. For no one else, other than for ourselves? What's wrong with doing the right thing just for the sake of it being the right thing to do? Why do we need to have all of these extra carrots? What about teaching our children, and each other, that doing the right thing, for the right reason ought to be enough? The reward? That we can live life with a clear conscience if we do. What if we teach that greed, envy, hate, etc. AND other addictive activities can destroy us? And if they don't, they would at the very least mess with our serenity. We need, I need, to live life on life's terms. For an alcoholic / addict, we desperately need to be able to stay sober. No matter what. Because if we don't we have a very good chance that we will fall into a pit of despair. We'll have a life void of joy and happiness.
For me, the fact that we're only going to be here once, that there's only going to be one today, is a good enough reason. Human life is special. We should try to treasure each other.
We all will come to an end, sooner or later. But for me, the simple fact that working with fellow alcoholics helps me keep my serenity, and sanity. Even if they don't feel the way I do about God, they help can me, and visa versa. It's a pithy saying, but it still holds true. "Take what you need, and leave the rest."
Location:
Lakewood, OH, USA
Sunday, June 19, 2016
We say goodbye to another friend.
It is with deep regret to share this news. Jim was a fun loving character, that I will miss.
NELSON JAMES LAWRENCE NELSON of Lakewood, OH, departed this life on Sunday, June 12, 2016, at the age of 62, when his giving heart suddenly failed. Jim was beautiful. He will be remembered for his generous spirit, his love of Lake Erie, his absurd humor, and the buoyant personality that so effortlessly carried his colorful fashion sense. Jim's short life was filled with great loves, successes, struggles, and losses. Sadly, recent years' myriad health complications and a lifelong struggle with addiction stole much from Jim, but never his positive attitude or a hope for better days ahead. He is survived by his daughter Phoebe and her mother, Nan Wilson, his daughter Jennifer, sons Paul and Kyle and their mother Mary Kay Nelson, his last wife, Mary Pat Gallagher, granddaughter Olivia, siblings Pat Burns, Nancy Rudd and Dave Nelson, many nieces and nephews, countless friends, Freedom Mortgage colleagues, fellow members of AA, and his beloved dog, Millie Nelson. Memorial open house on Sunday, July 31 from 9:30am to Noon at The Folger Home, 32770 Lake Road, Avon Lake, OH 44012. In lieu of flowers, the family requests donations be sent in his name, either to Ed Keating Rehab Center (Cleveland) or Cleveland Clinic Foundation. Additionally, we ask that you take the time to discuss end of life wishes with your loved ones while you can. You never know when you will need to speak for someone you love.
Published in The Plain Dealer on June 19, 2016
From Cleveland.com
JAMES LAWRENCE NELSON
NELSON JAMES LAWRENCE NELSON of Lakewood, OH, departed this life on Sunday, June 12, 2016, at the age of 62, when his giving heart suddenly failed. Jim was beautiful. He will be remembered for his generous spirit, his love of Lake Erie, his absurd humor, and the buoyant personality that so effortlessly carried his colorful fashion sense. Jim's short life was filled with great loves, successes, struggles, and losses. Sadly, recent years' myriad health complications and a lifelong struggle with addiction stole much from Jim, but never his positive attitude or a hope for better days ahead. He is survived by his daughter Phoebe and her mother, Nan Wilson, his daughter Jennifer, sons Paul and Kyle and their mother Mary Kay Nelson, his last wife, Mary Pat Gallagher, granddaughter Olivia, siblings Pat Burns, Nancy Rudd and Dave Nelson, many nieces and nephews, countless friends, Freedom Mortgage colleagues, fellow members of AA, and his beloved dog, Millie Nelson. Memorial open house on Sunday, July 31 from 9:30am to Noon at The Folger Home, 32770 Lake Road, Avon Lake, OH 44012. In lieu of flowers, the family requests donations be sent in his name, either to Ed Keating Rehab Center (Cleveland) or Cleveland Clinic Foundation. Additionally, we ask that you take the time to discuss end of life wishes with your loved ones while you can. You never know when you will need to speak for someone you love.
Published in The Plain Dealer on June 19, 2016
From Cleveland.com
Happy Birthday
One our members surprised our Saturday Meeting with cake. Proving that we are not a glum lot.
But the message is a bit confusing? 6 month's sober, thanking god for Agnostic Meetings? Hey, it doesn't matter, it's a program of progress, one way or the other. What matters is he's got 6 months in a row here.
In any event, Congratulations, Badger!
In any event, Congratulations, Badger!
Sunday, May 15, 2016
Westside Agnostics History, Per Jeff Cunningham
The Following was written by Jeff Cunningham, at one of the last AA meetings that he attended prior to his passing away due to cancer roughly a month later. Jeff was quite instrumental in the early days of the “Westside Agnostics” meetings.
-Randy N.
Before we start today, I'd like to ask that you indulge me for a few minutes to impart a bit of group history, which of course does not exist in written form.
We are upon our second anniversary. Our first documented meeting was January 25, 2014, but I believe our actual first meeting was a week earlier, January 18, 2014. I was elected secretary at the first meeting.
However, the credit for doing the legwork to start the meeting goes to Emily Valdez and Ryan Broadhurst, who found the venue, day and time - critical steps! Emily moved in 2015 to take a job in San Diego, and Ryan we haven't heard from since around February 2014. I have no idea what became of him.
They recruited attendees - me included - from the mother ship, We Agnostics on Sunday morning in Cleveland Heights, to attend the first meeting. With the support for many, many months from a dozen or so folks from the east side, we were able to build the meeting we enjoy today. Our weekly attendance of 40ish is larger than many well established, long-term meetings in Cleveland. Only two original members are in the room today: me and Campbell.
Our topic Wednesday reminded me that this meeting had two important principles accepted by the first group conscience to define our purpose:
I had a desperate desire - yes, I admit that I tried to impose my will - to get an agnostic meeting listed in the book as quickly as possible. A meeting where others suffering as I had suffered could find refuge in the storm. A suggestion was made that we use an alternative 12 Steps without the references to god. To get listed it was critical that we be an AA meeting - no deviations or other purposes. An operating committee member was required to attend one of our meetings. Deviating from official AA literature was not acceptable. The group opted to use standard AA literature. Our meeting started in January 2014; we were listed in the December 2014 book.
The second was equally as important to me. I had been tormented by the religiosity heard in most AA meetings, certainly the ones I attended in the western WASP burbs. I always felt like I was in a church prayer group with all the "here's what god did for me today" comments. So I was trying to escape the pressure to pray and get god. I didn't want to turn around and create a meeting where Christians would be as repulsed at god-bashing as I had been at the pressure to get god. The group conscience accepted that principle also - that we would not be a godbashing meeting. While occasionally our topics stray into that territory, for the most part we have avoided it. I'm very uncomfortable when we do because I don't want to drive anyone away.
Our purpose as a meeting is to discuss how to get and stay sober based on working the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, particularly the action steps that drive the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism - steps 4-7, maybe 8-9, and 10. Carl Jung talked to Roland Hazard about the most desperate cases requiring a profound mental change, a psychic change, to achieve recovery. Some of his examples were from William James, who also referred to slow, educational changes over time to achieve the same purpose.
Bill added appendix II to the second edition of the book after constantly being asked about the spiritual experience, the spiritual awakening. In the first paragraph, he defined them as "the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism." Step 12 reads "Having had a spiritual awakening as THE result of these step,..." If we substitute the definition, it reads "Having had the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism as the result of these steps,..."
So our group purpose is to help each other achieve and maintain that personality change, not to debate theological concepts. Regardless of what god we may or may not pray to, or how hard we may or may not pray, we aren't going to get and stay sober until we undergo that personality change. If praying and getting god were enough, we wouldn't have priests and clergy in the program.
Bill made this pretty clear in two very subtle phrases - three, actually - in two paragraphs of We Agnostics: bottom of pages 46 and 50. While espousing the wonderful things that happened once we had accepted god, he subtly states "provided we did certain simple things." Those certain simple things are the action steps of the program that drive the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism.
Regardless of what we were or are as a meeting today, that can be changed with a simple group conscience. I just didn't want that history to be lost. Thanks for listening. I'll now turn the meeting over to Don, our official substitute secretary.
- Jeff Cunning, January 2016
JEFFREY THOMAS CUNNINGHAM(1953 – 2016)
-Randy N.
We are upon our second anniversary. Our first documented meeting was January 25, 2014, but I believe our actual first meeting was a week earlier, January 18, 2014. I was elected secretary at the first meeting.
However, the credit for doing the legwork to start the meeting goes to Emily Valdez and Ryan Broadhurst, who found the venue, day and time - critical steps! Emily moved in 2015 to take a job in San Diego, and Ryan we haven't heard from since around February 2014. I have no idea what became of him.
They recruited attendees - me included - from the mother ship, We Agnostics on Sunday morning in Cleveland Heights, to attend the first meeting. With the support for many, many months from a dozen or so folks from the east side, we were able to build the meeting we enjoy today. Our weekly attendance of 40ish is larger than many well established, long-term meetings in Cleveland. Only two original members are in the room today: me and Campbell.
Our topic Wednesday reminded me that this meeting had two important principles accepted by the first group conscience to define our purpose:
I had a desperate desire - yes, I admit that I tried to impose my will - to get an agnostic meeting listed in the book as quickly as possible. A meeting where others suffering as I had suffered could find refuge in the storm. A suggestion was made that we use an alternative 12 Steps without the references to god. To get listed it was critical that we be an AA meeting - no deviations or other purposes. An operating committee member was required to attend one of our meetings. Deviating from official AA literature was not acceptable. The group opted to use standard AA literature. Our meeting started in January 2014; we were listed in the December 2014 book.
The second was equally as important to me. I had been tormented by the religiosity heard in most AA meetings, certainly the ones I attended in the western WASP burbs. I always felt like I was in a church prayer group with all the "here's what god did for me today" comments. So I was trying to escape the pressure to pray and get god. I didn't want to turn around and create a meeting where Christians would be as repulsed at god-bashing as I had been at the pressure to get god. The group conscience accepted that principle also - that we would not be a godbashing meeting. While occasionally our topics stray into that territory, for the most part we have avoided it. I'm very uncomfortable when we do because I don't want to drive anyone away.
Our purpose as a meeting is to discuss how to get and stay sober based on working the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, particularly the action steps that drive the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism - steps 4-7, maybe 8-9, and 10. Carl Jung talked to Roland Hazard about the most desperate cases requiring a profound mental change, a psychic change, to achieve recovery. Some of his examples were from William James, who also referred to slow, educational changes over time to achieve the same purpose.
Bill added appendix II to the second edition of the book after constantly being asked about the spiritual experience, the spiritual awakening. In the first paragraph, he defined them as "the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism." Step 12 reads "Having had a spiritual awakening as THE result of these step,..." If we substitute the definition, it reads "Having had the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism as the result of these steps,..."
So our group purpose is to help each other achieve and maintain that personality change, not to debate theological concepts. Regardless of what god we may or may not pray to, or how hard we may or may not pray, we aren't going to get and stay sober until we undergo that personality change. If praying and getting god were enough, we wouldn't have priests and clergy in the program.
Bill made this pretty clear in two very subtle phrases - three, actually - in two paragraphs of We Agnostics: bottom of pages 46 and 50. While espousing the wonderful things that happened once we had accepted god, he subtly states "provided we did certain simple things." Those certain simple things are the action steps of the program that drive the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism.
Regardless of what we were or are as a meeting today, that can be changed with a simple group conscience. I just didn't want that history to be lost. Thanks for listening. I'll now turn the meeting over to Don, our official substitute secretary.
- Jeff Cunning, January 2016
JEFFREY THOMAS CUNNINGHAM(1953 – 2016)
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Location:
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Wednesday, March 16, 2016
Agnostic AA Meetings in the CLE area.
Agnostic AA Meetings, CLE Area
| We Agnostics |
| Club 24, 1635 Lee Road 2nd Floor (Near Lee & Mayfield) |
| Cleveland Heights, OH 44118 |
| Sundays at 11:45 AM |
| West Side Agnostics |
| 13229 Madison Ave (Lakewood Madison Library Basement) |
| Lakewood, OH 44107 |
| Saturday at 11:00 AM | Open, Discussion |
***NEW*** |
| Agnostic Big Book |
| 13229 Madison Ave (Lakewood Madison Library Basement) |
| Lakewood, OH 44107 |
| Monday 6 PM | Closed, Big Book Meeting |
| Lake Erie Agnostics, Discussion Group |
| 35400 Curtis Boulevard | Monreal Funeral Home upstairs) |
| Eastlake, Ohio 44095 (15 minutes east of Cleveland, OH) |
| Tuesday 7:30 p.m. |
| Beyond Belief, We Agnostics |
| 13229 Madison Ave (Lakewood Madison Library Basement) |
| Lakewood, OH 44107 |
| Wednesday at 6:00 PM | Closed - Discussion |
Saturday, March 5, 2016
A Fond Farewell, Jeff C.
He brought to his home group a ton of common sense. Helped keep things focused on what was important, guiding the Westside Agnostic group to be an AA meeting that ANYONE and EVERYONE should feel welcome. Period. That the only requirement to be an AA Member is simply a desire not to drink. That's it.
I think that Jeff knew that if things were kept simple, we as a group could be the most help. To help widen the gateway, and keep the gateway open. For myself and those to follow.
From AA Comes of Age (1957) Bill W. wrote: "...this was the great contribution of our atheists and agnostics. They had widened our gateway so that all who suffer might pass through, regardless of their belief or lack of belief."
I think that Jeff knew that if things were kept simple, we as a group could be the most help. To help widen the gateway, and keep the gateway open. For myself and those to follow.
From AA Comes of Age (1957) Bill W. wrote: "...this was the great contribution of our atheists and agnostics. They had widened our gateway so that all who suffer might pass through, regardless of their belief or lack of belief."
And for some reason, this song, "Unsteady" seems to make me think of Jeff
Saturday, January 23, 2016
Club 24 Anniversary
Club 24 is having an anniversary meeting on the 31st of Jan at 11:30 AM. Food and fun for everyone. :)
Club 24 Inc
1635 Lee Rd # 2,
Cleveland, OH 44118
S.N.A.
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Location:
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